tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269457651973166771.comments2019-08-22T05:59:21.022-04:00Polina Skibinskaya - Author, EditorUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269457651973166771.post-22412920161586223892011-09-23T15:44:51.423-04:002011-09-23T15:44:51.423-04:00Ccoralacid - I am not talking about people who had...Ccoralacid - I am not talking about people who had structural complaints about Children of Earth. I am talking SPECIFICALLY about the very vocal group of fans who reacted to the death of a character with an organized campaign of abuse and intimidation, and about how this campaign of abuse and intimidation might (or might not) have influenced Miracle Day.<br /><br />Xtiansugar - am I speaking English? Ianto fans certainly hijacked the DISCUSSION of Children of Earth.Polinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15581216220301413061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269457651973166771.post-48204828562642943792011-09-22T04:59:51.599-04:002011-09-22T04:59:51.599-04:00Ha, ha, ha. I laughed so hard I snorted coffee ou...Ha, ha, ha. I laughed so hard I snorted coffee out of my nose. Not sure what is funnier, that you think what you say is a small group of fans could hijack an entire season of a show costing more that 30m dollars, or the idea that Russel T Davies has underlying talent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269457651973166771.post-69549802285698234892011-09-22T04:33:10.770-04:002011-09-22T04:33:10.770-04:00I follow many forums and twitter and apart from th...I follow many forums and twitter and apart from those forums that do not allow any real criticism of MD the reactions of fans and reviewers has been mixed. Some of those may be SIJ supporters but the fast majority are not.<br />RT Davis started with a concept that he awknowledged had pre dated COE but failed in its execution.In the end the death of Ianto became a mute point within a production that was poorly scripted,lacked charactor developement,wit and any sense of the orignal TW tone or dialogue.Charactors do not need to exibit perfection but they do need to engage the viewer and MD struggled to achieve any audience rapport and this mimimised he response to the politics and social commentary.Add to this the simplistic analysis,and tendency to patronise his audience through overstatement and the message becomes a rant which i have to say was epitomised in the metormorphis of Gwen this year into someone who often appeared to overreact as opposed to truly thinking the issues through.So perhaps Gwen is the autobiographical element and not a mythical reaction to the SIJ campaigners.<br />I awknowledge that RTD is not in my list of excellant writers but he is competant and watchable however too often his work suffers from excess and a tendency towards overdramatic moments and overstated social commentary.<br />His body of work is not exceptional and apart from Queer as Folk I have not rated his work highly.One argument supporting his credibility as a writer was that he kick started the new Dr Who but DW was an existing premis and he was supported by a team of writers who understood charactor development and offset his excesses.I found his specials OTT and much prefer the more thoughtful style of Stephen Moffat and the audience figuires seem to support this.MD and the move to the USA was ambitious and RTD tried to off set this by building in links to the WHO universe and the death of Ianto etc but it failed to hold the attention of over 2 million viwers in the UK and that is far more significant than the Ianto backlash.<br />To say that those who criticised COE or MD lack maturity seems to me to be an oversimplified analysis--a bit like the writing in MD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269457651973166771.post-30763745664059916812011-09-21T18:15:38.677-04:002011-09-21T18:15:38.677-04:00hahahahahaha. RTD has 'underlying talent'?...hahahahahaha. RTD has 'underlying talent'? It must be buried pretty deep, because I have never seen it. Boring, cliche, repetitive ... <br /><br />It amuses me that you blame fans of some character for the total failure of Miracle Day. It can't be Russel's fault people are finally starting to realise just how little he bothers to plot/redraft, and how much of other people's work (including his own) he recycles.FElizBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01646560775893027937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269457651973166771.post-85602601895891105912011-01-20T13:19:47.605-05:002011-01-20T13:19:47.605-05:00I vote YES!I vote YES!The Writerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11945757273202604599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269457651973166771.post-90409456973474436782010-11-12T13:42:16.488-05:002010-11-12T13:42:16.488-05:00This comment has been hidden from the blog.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00412348988503190257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269457651973166771.post-62926659834713953482010-10-30T20:51:38.571-04:002010-10-30T20:51:38.571-04:00Love this!Love this!Urban Milkmaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01669236770815247883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269457651973166771.post-54731811085964240922010-02-20T07:35:06.967-05:002010-02-20T07:35:06.967-05:00This comment has been hidden from the blog.Robynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13362923454121651163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269457651973166771.post-89651248660278493742010-02-05T16:45:19.545-05:002010-02-05T16:45:19.545-05:00Is it time to rewatch?
This was the first time I ...Is it time to rewatch?<br /><br />This was the first time I actually really enjoyed Hamlet. I think someone finally got it right, Sir William of Shakepeare would be proud! :DThe Writerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11945757273202604599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269457651973166771.post-29543107391529998802009-10-29T12:58:13.589-04:002009-10-29T12:58:13.589-04:00It's interesting that his self-hatred included...It's interesting that his self-hatred included not only his sexuality, but also his upbringing. We find later to Rhiannon's dismay, that the team didn't really know Ianto. They all thought that his father was a master tailor and life growing up was all good. However, we find later that it was a lie. Good old dad worked in the the UK's version of K-mart. Ianto also makes an implies that there wasabuse in a scene where he asks his sister to meet him at the place where Ianto's dad broke Ianto's leg. <br /><br />Adding this to his earlier subterfuges, we finally realize that we never knew Ianto. We really never knew anything about this guy until after he died. <br /><br />Perhaps this is what is most saddening and disappointing after all... we never really knew him. It disappoints the characters, but it also disappoints the viewers who wanted to give the gay romance a chance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269457651973166771.post-16739329364822314992009-10-28T19:19:49.653-04:002009-10-28T19:19:49.653-04:00A thoughtful, well written and well-considered loo...A thoughtful, well written and well-considered look at queerdom through the lens of pop culture, Polina. You certainly offer an interpretation of Ianto's death I had not considered. <br /><br />Still... I liked Ianto Jones--self-doubting warts and all--an awful lot and loved the Jack-Ianto romance (popularly known throughout the YouTube universe as "Janto"). I will miss Gareth David-Lloyd's sweetly stoic (and slyly witty) characterization terribly, and I still maintain that, only two seasons into this excellent series, the decision to eliminate Ianto Jones was not only unnecessary but a colossal and possibly fatal mistake. Russell Davies offered the argument that it was Ianto's death that made it possible for Jack to sacrifice his grandchild to save the world's children in CoE. Nonsense. After all the lives Jack Harkness has lived and all the things he's done in his long, strange, storied past--including things he is not proud of--he could and would have offered up the child upon realizing there was no other choice. <br /><br />Jack would have hated himself forever for doing so, of course, and fled as at the end of episode five of CoE, but his immortal loneliness and his love for Ianto (and Gwen, but especially Ianto) would have brought him back to Torchwood--had RTD not been so monumentally short-sighted as to kill Ianto off.<br /><br />"I came back for you," he said simply, in a previous episode. It would have been the perfect lead-in (or episode denouement) for Torchwood Season 4. Would have been. Alas.Lorraine M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05182467192523615746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269457651973166771.post-21410248647128917282009-10-28T17:37:46.464-04:002009-10-28T17:37:46.464-04:00I have to say, this gave me a completely differenc...I have to say, this gave me a completely difference outlook on Day 4, which I'll admit I've been struggling with since it aired. I suppose it could have been bubbling under the surface all along. And I don't think you are saying that he needed to die (the past dying etc), rather that it is unavoidable that old attitudes and phobias will die. And thank goodness for that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4269457651973166771.post-6904855697154698432009-10-28T06:29:45.469-04:002009-10-28T06:29:45.469-04:00Sadly, it seems you have analysed Ianto's deat...Sadly, it seems you have analysed Ianto's death to death. Your subtext implies to the casual reader that, because he was a more realistic exemplar of current queer humanity, that he needed to die so that the imperative of indominatable queerdom could thrive. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I certainly believe yours is as valid as 'personal takes' can be. I just hope that those who see Ianto's death as a loss in more than an analogous sense will not feel that their interpretation is in any way diminished by your thesis.<br />Respectfully<br />MaxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com